Want To Buy: Mid Range components speakers system for car

[user]

Hi,

I am looking for quality 5" or 6" Mid Bass components system for car

If you have any for sales, kindly email your offer and phone number to
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Thanks

[Dave Baker]

Post by user
I am looking for quality 5" or 6" Mid Bass components system for car

Go to Brothers in Plaza Ampang City if you are in KL - damn that showroom is
massive!

The only thing the shop doesn't have, which happens to be the thing I'm
looking for, is a CD/DVD player that fits into a normal car stereo slot AND
has a VGA input for the screen so I can put a GPS map on it. Pity.

Dave

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[Kerry]

Post by Dave Baker
The only thing the shop doesn't have, which happens to be the thing I'm
looking for, is a CD/DVD player that fits into a normal car stereo slot AND
has a VGA input for the screen so I can put a GPS map on it. Pity.

Display output from notebook? Or, you have GPSr with that capability, mind
to elaborate?

[Dave Baker]

Post by Kerry
Display output from notebook? Or, you have GPSr with that capability, mind
to elaborate?

Not a notebook - I have some small-board computers - same size as 3.5" hard
drives, run on 12V & no fans required. Boot from Compact Flash card, etc.
Made by Advantech.

Dave

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[Kerry]

This computer use what to receive GPS signal, module or dedicated? what
mapping s/ware r u using
External antenna? I'm interested in this kind of stuff but no budget.

"Dave Baker" <***@jodael.com> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 23:03:32 +0800, "Kerry" <***@arh.com.my> wrote:

Not a notebook - I have some small-board computers - same size as 3.5" hard
drives, run on 12V & no fans required. Boot from Compact Flash card, etc.
Made by Advantech.

Dave

[Dave Baker]

Post by Kerry
This computer use what to receive GPS signal, module or dedicated? what
mapping s/ware r u using
External antenna? I'm interested in this kind of stuff but no budget.

No, it's just a standard Windows PC. I'd probably have it connected to a
Bluetooth GPS unit mounted internally or externally depending on requirement.

Mapping software - I have my own - I write this kind of stuff for a living.

Dave

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[Paul Tan]

Post by Dave Baker

Post by user
I am looking for quality 5" or 6" Mid Bass components system for car

Go to Brothers in Plaza Ampang City if you are in KL - damn that showroom is
massive!
The only thing the shop doesn't have, which happens to be the thing I'm
looking for, is a CD/DVD player that fits into a normal car stereo slot AND
has a VGA input for the screen so I can put a GPS map on it. Pity.

stay away from that place. cheap stuff, bad workmanship.

[David Baker]

Post by Paul Tan

Post by Dave Baker

Post by user
I am looking for quality 5" or 6" Mid Bass components system for car

Go to Brothers in Plaza Ampang City if you are in KL - damn that showroom is
massive!
The only thing the shop doesn't have, which happens to be the thing I'm
looking for, is a CD/DVD player that fits into a normal car stereo slot AND
has a VGA input for the screen so I can put a GPS map on it. Pity.

stay away from that place. cheap stuff,

Cheap is GOOD! :-)

Dave

[Paul Tan]

Post by David Baker

Post by Paul Tan

Post by Dave Baker

Post by user
I am looking for quality 5" or 6" Mid Bass components system for car

Go to Brothers in Plaza Ampang City if you are in KL - damn that showroom is
massive!
The only thing the shop doesn't have, which happens to be the thing I'm
looking for, is a CD/DVD player that fits into a normal car stereo slot AND
has a VGA input for the screen so I can put a GPS map on it. Pity.

stay away from that place. cheap stuff,

Cheap is GOOD! :-)

no cheap as in they dont last

[Dave Baker]

Post by Paul Tan
no cheap as in they dont last

All the stuff I was looking at was known brands like Sony, Pioneer, Kenwood,
etc. I presume these are not pirate copies...

Dave

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[Starwing @ Work]

Some of them are the pirated version. How else can you get such cheap
components?

Brothers is well known for cheap stuffs and bad workmanship in the auto
world. I'd prefer to shop in Eneos.

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Post by Paul Tan
no cheap as in they dont last

All the stuff I was looking at was known brands like Sony, Pioneer, Kenwood,
etc. I presume these are not pirate copies...
Dave
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[adchin]

Post by Dave Baker
The only thing the shop doesn't have, which happens to be the thing I'm
looking for, is a CD/DVD player that fits into a normal car stereo slot AND
has a VGA input for the screen so I can put a GPS map on it. Pity.

Do a search in the internet for this product called "Cobra GPS". Is
this what you need ?

[Dave Baker]

Post by adchin
Do a search in the internet for this product called "Cobra GPS". Is
this what you need ?

Well, there were 713,000 hits, so I'm not sure we are talking about the same
page! :-)

From all the units I looked at (Cobra 100 & Cobra 500), these are just GPS
units with normal small LCD displays. I don't need a GPS as I already have a
bluetooth GPS unit, and already have a computer. All I need is a VGA (or
better) display that can fit into the normal cassette player/radio slot in a
car so that it hides away when I park.

Dave

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[tjb]

Post by Dave Baker

Post by adchin
Do a search in the internet for this product called "Cobra GPS". Is
this what you need ?

Well, there were 713,000 hits, so I'm not sure we are talking about the same
page! :-)
From all the units I looked at (Cobra 100 & Cobra 500), these are just GPS
units with normal small LCD displays. I don't need a GPS as I already have a
bluetooth GPS unit, and already have a computer. All I need is a VGA (or
better) display that can fit into the normal cassette player/radio slot in a
car so that it hides away when I park.
Dave
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Have you thought of using the display that is fitted in a car visor:
they don't match the one in the car so may look strange though. Unless
you win on Pimp My Ride and they'll make sure it matches :)

tjb

[David Baker]

I did have a look at a couple of them, but the ones I saw were all
plain composite video input, not VGA input.

A visor screen display would be possible as a last resort - centre
display is better as passengers can see it easily as well.

Dave

[tjb]

Post by David Baker
I did have a look at a couple of them, but the ones I saw were all
plain composite video input, not VGA input.
A visor screen display would be possible as a last resort - centre
display is better as passengers can see it easily as well.
Dave

quite a nice drop down 14" screen in a roof plastic mount in Jl Pasar
yesterday: I didn't get to ask whether it was VGA input though.

tjb

[Dave Baker]

Post by tjb
quite a nice drop down 14" screen in a roof plastic mount in Jl Pasar
yesterday: I didn't get to ask whether it was VGA input though.

Probably the same one Brothers is selling - if it only has a yellow
plug/socket on a cable (as well as a power cable) then it only takes
composite video in.

Actually many computers have composite video out, but the quality of the
output is pretty horrible.

Dave

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[tjb]

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Post by tjb
quite a nice drop down 14" screen in a roof plastic mount in Jl Pasar
yesterday: I didn't get to ask whether it was VGA input though.

Probably the same one Brothers is selling - if it only has a yellow
plug/socket on a cable (as well as a power cable) then it only takes
composite video in.
Actually many computers have composite video out, but the quality of the
output is pretty horrible.
Dave
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Yes, I didn't check the cabling: it was screwed to a ceiling :(

don't Hauppage make a USB TV out which should be good quality? There is
a Hauppage agent in KL as I remember. Details round here somewhere.

[Dave Baker]

Post by tjb
don't Hauppage make a USB TV out which should be good quality? There is
a Hauppage agent in KL as I remember. Details round here somewhere.

Problem is that composite video is 625 lines (for PAL), so if you are running
VGA it needs to convert that 480 lines to 625 lines & there is inherent
blurring of the image. Which makes small font text unreadable. The actual LCD
is probably a proper VGA (or better) screen in terms of pixels anyway, but
the process of converting a digital computer signal to analog & back to
digital (in the screen) makes it unsuitable for display of maps with names of
streets, etc.

Dave

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[tjb]

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Post by tjb
don't Hauppage make a USB TV out which should be good quality? There is
a Hauppage agent in KL as I remember. Details round here somewhere.

Problem is that composite video is 625 lines (for PAL), so if you are running
VGA it needs to convert that 480 lines to 625 lines & there is inherent
blurring of the image. Which makes small font text unreadable. The actual LCD
is probably a proper VGA (or better) screen in terms of pixels anyway, but
the process of converting a digital computer signal to analog & back to
digital (in the screen) makes it unsuitable for display of maps with names of
streets, etc.
Dave
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OK I see that: though a so-so 14" AV screen is probably as good as a
sharp 6" VGA screen. But if we get our act together here we can have a
decent GPS based navigation system like the one I used in the UK last
month (Tom Tom) which provided exact voice instructions: no need to take
the eye off the road. I was quite gobsmacked whilst stopped in the
service station on the motorway to look at the screen: the software had
identified which lane I was stopped in at the petrol station, and
subsequently instructed me on the correct procedure for exiting back on
to the highway. Of course a realistic postcode system here, not the
current (hey lets forget the last two digits) system, will be required,
as well as a realistic pricing for digital maps (last time I checked, a
set of digital maps for the whole of Kl would cost me about US$1 million).

What I really want to is convert my PDA into a head up display on the
car windscreen. That would be really neat.

tjb

[Dave Baker]

Post by tjb
current (hey lets forget the last two digits) system, will be required,
as well as a realistic pricing for digital maps (last time I checked, a
set of digital maps for the whole of Kl would cost me about US$1 million).

Or if you had a Garmin you could get them for free! :-)

http://mapcenter.cgpsmapper.com/maplist.php?cnt=153&rgn=

Here's the website where we discuss the making of them.

http://www.malsingmaps.com


Dave

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[tjb]

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Post by tjb
current (hey lets forget the last two digits) system, will be required,
as well as a realistic pricing for digital maps (last time I checked, a
set of digital maps for the whole of Kl would cost me about US$1 million).

Or if you had a Garmin you could get them for free! :-)
http://mapcenter.cgpsmapper.com/maplist.php?cnt=153&rgn=
Here's the website where we discuss the making of them.
http://www.malsingmaps.com
Dave
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Well my old Garmin 45 is still alive: just. But I found that carrying a
laptop around to do the map reading part was too much effort, and the
case is rather fragile from too many trips. I did scan in all the KL
maps (wot? no nopt me, it must have been another tjb with no respect for
copyright!)and coordinated the corners of most of them to get them
running, a few years ago, using some UK software with some voice based
instructions. A bit before its time actually.

But I think even your new venture you refer to Dave does not do voice? :
and the coverage is fairly limited? I guess I need to look at it. Maybe
I'll investigate some PDA software that can run maps, which I am sure
can be converted from Garmin format. Too much to do, too little time.

tjb

[Dave Baker]

Yes, we are cutting edge! :-)

Get yourself a Garmin 276C with optional speaker (like I have in my car) and
you can choose between British or American guidance voices, also with choice
of male or female. One can just select your destination & it will give you
turn-by-turn voice guidance, even recalculating if you decide to ignore an
instruction.

Post by tjb
and the coverage is fairly limited?

No, I think it's pretty comprehensive these days. KL is basically all done,
Singapore is brilliant, and most towns on Peninsular Malaysia done. I've been
doing Labuan & some other guys doing towns in Sabah & Sarawak. All highways
on the Peninsula done.

Most maps already have auto-routing.

There are over 1000 members of the group, with a few dedicated to actually
producing the final maps, with many of the others contributing track logs for
road making or waypoints of interest to others. Others use the products &
report back any bugs in the routing, etc.

And the end product is all free.

Dave

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[CharSiewPau]

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:07:22 +0800, Dave Baker

Post by Dave Baker
Yes, we are cutting edge! :-)
Get yourself a Garmin 276C with optional speaker (like I have in my car) and
you can choose between British or American guidance voices, also with choice
of male or female. One can just select your destination & it will give you
turn-by-turn voice guidance, even recalculating if you decide to ignore an
instruction.

Post by tjb
and the coverage is fairly limited?

No, I think it's pretty comprehensive these days. KL is basically all done,
Singapore is brilliant, and most towns on Peninsular Malaysia done. I've been
doing Labuan & some other guys doing towns in Sabah & Sarawak. All highways
on the Peninsula done.
Most maps already have auto-routing.
There are over 1000 members of the group, with a few dedicated to actually
producing the final maps, with many of the others contributing track logs for
road making or waypoints of interest to others. Others use the products &
report back any bugs in the routing, etc.
And the end product is all free.
Dave
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Woah my god Dave!!! That's definitely the site I've been looking for..
I guess I should get those Garmins with downloadable maps.. A pity for
lack of mountain bike trails here. They're probably not listed.

And, considering how much KL reroutes its traffic in a month, any
problems with yours?

I'd so love to get one, and that link to the KL maps was the clincher.
I guess I ought to get one.

BTW, Is there a local distributor here? Or do I have to whip out my CC
and buy online for it?

[Dave Baker]

Post by CharSiewPau
Woah my god Dave!!! That's definitely the site I've been looking for..
I guess I should get those Garmins with downloadable maps.. A pity for
lack of mountain bike trails here. They're probably not listed.

Actually as it happens, one of the main guys in the group is heavily into
mountain bikes (as opposed to me who is heavy AND into mountain bikes), so
there are a lot of mountain bike tracks available. I ride Bukit Dinding
myself quite often.

Post by CharSiewPau
And, considering how much KL reroutes its traffic in a month, any
problems with yours?

Yes, fast developing countries like KL are putting in new roads every week,
so it's hard to keep up. However, with 1000 contributors we are ahead of the
commercial map-makers in this respect. If you report a problem with one of
the maps it's most likely going to be fixed by the next version a week later,
rather than 2 or 3 years later if you bought commercial maps.

Post by CharSiewPau
I'd so love to get one, and that link to the KL maps was the clincher.
I guess I ought to get one.

Join the group if you like - everyone gets a say & if you live in an area
that isn't covered properly you can be a major contributor for that area.

Post by CharSiewPau
BTW, Is there a local distributor here? Or do I have to whip out my CC
and buy online for it?

The website forum (or maybe other area) has a list of a couple of places in
KL selling them. The one I use is in Taman Maluri, though there is also a
shop on 2nd top floor of Low Yat Plaza.

I bought my 276C in Singapore though, as they are a fair bit cheaper than
here. Local ease of purchase has it's price disadvantage, though most of the
price difference is tax & import duty I guess.

Dave

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[CharSiewPau]

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:53:46 +0800, Dave Baker

Post by Dave Baker

Post by CharSiewPau
Woah my god Dave!!! That's definitely the site I've been looking for..
I guess I should get those Garmins with downloadable maps.. A pity for
lack of mountain bike trails here. They're probably not listed.

Actually as it happens, one of the main guys in the group is heavily into
mountain bikes (as opposed to me who is heavy AND into mountain bikes), so
there are a lot of mountain bike tracks available. I ride Bukit Dinding
myself quite often.

That's absolutely fabulous. I've some trails in the place I'm staying
as well in kelantan. I'd be happy to contribute once I get my own GPS
unit.

Post by Dave Baker

Post by CharSiewPau
And, considering how much KL reroutes its traffic in a month, any
problems with yours?

Yes, fast developing countries like KL are putting in new roads every week,
so it's hard to keep up. However, with 1000 contributors we are ahead of the
commercial map-makers in this respect. If you report a problem with one of
the maps it's most likely going to be fixed by the next version a week later,
rather than 2 or 3 years later if you bought commercial maps.

A week? that's fast. Definitely an interesting progress.. Here was I
thinking that GPS scene was totally dead in malaysia. How's the
Geocaching scene in malaysia. I would think that any caches here would
have gotten looted already. XD

Post by Dave Baker

Post by CharSiewPau
I'd so love to get one, and that link to the KL maps was the clincher.
I guess I ought to get one.

Join the group if you like - everyone gets a say & if you live in an area
that isn't covered properly you can be a major contributor for that area.

Oh yes, I just joined.. Now to obtain a GPS unit and have fun with
is.. as for contribution.. I'm not sure if I can fit it in my
schedule, but in a community like the one you gave, it's probably good
to give and take.. <-- literally..

Anyway, I'll need to buy one and mess with a GPS unit for a while.
It's something new for me.

Post by Dave Baker

Post by CharSiewPau
BTW, Is there a local distributor here? Or do I have to whip out my CC
and buy online for it?

The website forum (or maybe other area) has a list of a couple of places in
KL selling them. The one I use is in Taman Maluri, though there is also a
shop on 2nd top floor of Low Yat Plaza.
I bought my 276C in Singapore though, as they are a fair bit cheaper than
here. Local ease of purchase has it's price disadvantage, though most of the
price difference is tax & import duty I guess.

I'm hoping for an in-car GPS system, as opposed to a Garmin unit.. Any
chance of that? or do I have to use a Garmin unit anyway? What's the
going price, currently? the last time, like a year or two ago, it was
like 400USD.. hows the price now? Map capability and color display is
a must.

Post by Dave Baker
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Post by CharSiewPau
A week? that's fast. Definitely an interesting progress.. Here was I
thinking that GPS scene was totally dead in malaysia.

Very much alive, thanks to a few guys with far too much time on their hands!
:-) I've been on leave for 4 weeks now & still don't have time to do the
amount of work they do.

Post by CharSiewPau
How's the Geocaching scene in malaysia.

That one I don't know about, but think there are some. Another one is the
Degree Confluence Project. I'm not sure whether all the spots in Malaysia
have been covered yet. I tried one, but put a hole in the sump of my car! :-)

Post by CharSiewPau
I'm hoping for an in-car GPS system, as opposed to a Garmin unit.. Any
chance of that? or do I have to use a Garmin unit anyway?

The maps on this particular project will only work with Garmin GPS units.
Garmin is about the only manufacturer that allows map uploading in formats
that can be deciphered.

There are some Garmin units suitable for cars, though not like these
slide-in-out displays. My 276C has a large colour LCD which is fantastic for
driving, and also the voice which means you can get by without the display
when it would be too dangerous to take your eyes off the road. They do have a
car mount of some sort for it.

Post by CharSiewPau
What's the
going price, currently? the last time, like a year or two ago, it was
like 400USD.. hows the price now? Map capability and color display is
a must.

My 276C cost me S$1300 or so, but there are models with smaller colour
displays like the 60C which would be cheaper.

Dave

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[CharSiewPau]

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:53:46 +0800, Dave Baker

Post by Dave Baker
Actually as it happens, one of the main guys in the group is heavily into
mountain bikes (as opposed to me who is heavy AND into mountain bikes), so
there are a lot of mountain bike tracks available. I ride Bukit Dinding
myself quite often.

Just noticed the pun.. I'm into mountain bikes for the same reason..
heaviness. Okay! I had a belly!! okay!??! rofl. <-- emphasis on 'had'

[tjb]

Post by Dave Baker
Yes, we are cutting edge! :-)
Get yourself a Garmin 276C with optional speaker (like I have in my car) and
you can choose between British or American guidance voices, also with choice
of male or female. One can just select your destination & it will give you
turn-by-turn voice guidance, even recalculating if you decide to ignore an
instruction.

Post by tjb
and the coverage is fairly limited?

No, I think it's pretty comprehensive these days. KL is basically all done,
Singapore is brilliant, and most towns on Peninsular Malaysia done. I've been
doing Labuan & some other guys doing towns in Sabah & Sarawak. All highways
on the Peninsula done.
Most maps already have auto-routing.
There are over 1000 members of the group, with a few dedicated to actually
producing the final maps, with many of the others contributing track logs for
road making or waypoints of interest to others. Others use the products &
report back any bugs in the routing, etc.
And the end product is all free.
Dave
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wow - things have moved on - The Linux of the GPS world. OK I take back
everything I said (except about the Savvy) and will do my homework in
future.

tjb

[Dave Baker]

Post by tjb
wow - things have moved on - The Linux of the GPS world. OK I take back
everything I said (except about the Savvy) and will do my homework in
future.

I think Malaysians are one of the biggest mapping communities around, just
from looking at the MapCenter website & seeing how many offerings there are
constantly updated for Malaysia compared to other countries.

Of course in the USA, Europe & Australia one can buy reasonably decent maps
for GPS already, so there isn't so much of a scene there, but for countries
without coverage Malaysia is up there near the top.

As for the Savvy & the MyVi - still haven't seen either on the road so not
sure whether I'm going to like them. Looks like I'll be coming back to
Malaysia to work next month, so I'll have to buy a car. :-(

Dave

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Maybe I'll investigate some PDA software that can run maps, which I am sure
can be converted from Garmin format. Too much to do, too little time.
tjb

Please alert me to your progress. I'd so love to have GPS in my pimp
mobile. XD

[CharSiewPau]

But UK has OS landmaps that are updated daily. They have 'surveyors'
that report changes daily, for changes in traffic and trails.
(surprised to read this in the MTB book I subcribe.)

Our malaysian district office has maps updated last decade.. or was
that last century? (aiyooooooh!)

If you follow the instructions like you did in UK, using Malaysian GPS
with maps, and followin the voice instruction , you'd be gobsmacked to
find yourself going the wrong way on a one way road.

Anyway, it sound like and interesting geek toy to play with.

Mind sharing the progress of your project?

Post by tjb
OK I see that: though a so-so 14" AV screen is probably as good as a
sharp 6" VGA screen. But if we get our act together here we can have a
decent GPS based navigation system like the one I used in the UK last
month (Tom Tom) which provided exact voice instructions: no need to take
the eye off the road. I was quite gobsmacked whilst stopped in the
service station on the motorway to look at the screen: the software had
identified which lane I was stopped in at the petrol station, and
subsequently instructed me on the correct procedure for exiting back on
to the highway. Of course a realistic postcode system here, not the
current (hey lets forget the last two digits) system, will be required,
as well as a realistic pricing for digital maps (last time I checked, a
set of digital maps for the whole of Kl would cost me about US$1 million).
What I really want to is convert my PDA into a head up display on the
car windscreen. That would be really neat.
tjb

[tjb]

Post by CharSiewPau
But UK has OS landmaps that are updated daily. They have 'surveyors'
that report changes daily, for changes in traffic and trails.
(surprised to read this in the MTB book I subcribe.)
Our malaysian district office has maps updated last decade.. or was
that last century? (aiyooooooh!)
If you follow the instructions like you did in UK, using Malaysian GPS
with maps, and followin the voice instruction , you'd be gobsmacked to
find yourself going the wrong way on a one way road.
Anyway, it sound like and interesting geek toy to play with.
Mind sharing the progress of your project?

Post by tjb
OK I see that: though a so-so 14" AV screen is probably as good as a
sharp 6" VGA screen. But if we get our act together here we can have a
decent GPS based navigation system like the one I used in the UK last
month (Tom Tom) which provided exact voice instructions: no need to take
the eye off the road. I was quite gobsmacked whilst stopped in the
service station on the motorway to look at the screen: the software had
identified which lane I was stopped in at the petrol station, and
subsequently instructed me on the correct procedure for exiting back on
to the highway. Of course a realistic postcode system here, not the
current (hey lets forget the last two digits) system, will be required,
as well as a realistic pricing for digital maps (last time I checked, a
set of digital maps for the whole of Kl would cost me about US$1 million).
What I really want to is convert my PDA into a head up display on the
car windscreen. That would be really neat.
tjb

I watched the UK car program recently on BBC(name? my mind's gone blank)
and one of the guys used a GPS to navigate round Oxford. He claimed that
the one-way system completely fooled the GPS system: I suspect he was
either using out of date software or just making for an "interesting"
programme.

So what "project" is this you refer to? I'm just messing.

My current head-up display consists of putting the PDA on top of the
dashboard and trying to read the back to front reflection. I'm sure
someone has written a PDA driver to reverse the screen image; just need
to find it.

That reminds me, I heard an advert on radio today where a guy drives a
Savvy around KL blindfold to show how tough they are (the car that is).
Right. (A pullout in the Star advertising them claimed a strength of
17000N/mm. What the hell is that all about?).

tjb

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Post by tjb
That reminds me, I heard an advert on radio today where a guy drives a
Savvy around KL blindfold to show how tough they are (the car that is).
Right. (A pullout in the Star advertising them claimed a strength of
17000N/mm. What the hell is that all about?).

It's probably a euphemism for "this car has absolutely no crumple zones"!

In which case unless the driver has a strength of > 17000N/mm he will be
scrambled inside the nicely undented car.

Dave

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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:00:32 +0800, Dave Baker

Post by Dave Baker

Post by tjb
That reminds me, I heard an advert on radio today where a guy drives a
Savvy around KL blindfold to show how tough they are (the car that is).
Right. (A pullout in the Star advertising them claimed a strength of
17000N/mm. What the hell is that all about?).

It's probably a euphemism for "this car has absolutely no crumple zones"!
In which case unless the driver has a strength of > 17000N/mm he will be
scrambled inside the nicely undented car.
Dave
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lol.. the idiocity of the company that believes most people are
idiots. Frankly, the car is good looking enough, the problem is that
people worry about the quality, not the toughness or safety (note that
Iswara is still selling very well, regardless the fact that is has no
airbags and ABS. Of course even the current savvy doesn't have that.
So I guess tough is the only point that they can promote the car..

I'm not sure in this case, is it the company's idea, or the
advertising agency's idea.. If it was the ad agency's idea, the fella
who thought of it ought to be shot.. XD

Anyway.. converted the number to KG, which we can all relate too.

1,733.5175621 kg/mm2

You're kidding right? 1.7 tonnes of pressure on a 1x1 millimetre
surface?

which part of the car can withstand that kind of force? The bumper?
Bang a truck oso no effect like that!! O_o.. Can't say the same of the
driver though.. probably broke his neck in the whiplash, or whacked
himself senseless on the windscreen. (I bet the windscreen is just as
tough)

Or are they refererring to the bolt hardness used in that car, in
which case 1.7 tonnes are a realistic figure..

Of course, I've never gotten an A in physics, so if I'm totally wrong
on the above, please enlighten me.

[tjb]

Post by CharSiewPau
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:00:32 +0800, Dave Baker

Post by Dave Baker

Post by tjb
That reminds me, I heard an advert on radio today where a guy drives a
Savvy around KL blindfold to show how tough they are (the car that is).
Right. (A pullout in the Star advertising them claimed a strength of
17000N/mm. What the hell is that all about?).

It's probably a euphemism for "this car has absolutely no crumple zones"!
In which case unless the driver has a strength of > 17000N/mm he will be
scrambled inside the nicely undented car.
Dave
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lol.. the idiocity of the company that believes most people are
idiots. Frankly, the car is good looking enough, the problem is that
people worry about the quality, not the toughness or safety (note that
Iswara is still selling very well, regardless the fact that is has no
airbags and ABS. Of course even the current savvy doesn't have that.
So I guess tough is the only point that they can promote the car..
I'm not sure in this case, is it the company's idea, or the
advertising agency's idea.. If it was the ad agency's idea, the fella
who thought of it ought to be shot.. XD
Anyway.. converted the number to KG, which we can all relate too.
1,733.5175621 kg/mm2
You're kidding right? 1.7 tonnes of pressure on a 1x1 millimetre
surface?
which part of the car can withstand that kind of force? The bumper?
Bang a truck oso no effect like that!! O_o.. Can't say the same of the
driver though.. probably broke his neck in the whiplash, or whacked
himself senseless on the windscreen. (I bet the windscreen is just as
tough)
Or are they refererring to the bolt hardness used in that car, in
which case 1.7 tonnes are a realistic figure..
Of course, I've never gotten an A in physics, so if I'm totally wrong
on the above, please enlighten me.

The units were N/mm hence my puzzled enquiry. I can relate to N/mm2:
steel has a tensile strength of .. er ... lots of N/mm2 .....someone
help, I'm only poor engineer.

tjb

[CharSiewPau]

Post by tjb
I watched the UK car program recently on BBC(name? my mind's gone blank)
and one of the guys used a GPS to navigate round Oxford. He claimed that
the one-way system completely fooled the GPS system: I suspect he was
either using out of date software or just making for an "interesting"
programme.
So what "project" is this you refer to? I'm just messing.
My current head-up display consists of putting the PDA on top of the
dashboard and trying to read the back to front reflection. I'm sure
someone has written a PDA driver to reverse the screen image; just need
to find it.
That reminds me, I heard an advert on radio today where a guy drives a
Savvy around KL blindfold to show how tough they are (the car that is).
Right. (A pullout in the Star advertising them claimed a strength of
17000N/mm. What the hell is that all about?).
tjb

Ah.. The project I'm referring too is your GPS thingy-lah!
Anyway, I'm interested to hear if you get working GPS with maps in
Malaysia. I've heard on other forums/website a few years ago that this
isn't possible, at least until malaysia has a good mapping agency that
specifically makes maps for GPS and for sale.

Oh, and about your HUD, I had a similar project, but it was about
projecting images into a clear perspex. It was not very bright, but a
quick application of a tint film (as dark/light as you want, the
brightness depends of it) on the section where the image is to be
projected works wonders. Hope that helps.

Anyway, if you do get a preliminary GPS system working, I'd like to
know how you did it, as a fellow curious DIY tinkerer and PDA owner.
As it stands, I've only seen GPS screens with an arrow and
coordinates. Even the Garmin GPS units with downloadable maps don't
cater to Malaysian users. Even if they did, the maps would be horribly
outdated.

Dunno anything about the Savvy ad. I've basically given up hopes on
seeing the Malaysia Auto Industry flourish. Perodua seems to be doing
okay, can't say the same of the other one. I am curious as to how he
drove blindfold.. I think there is definitely a co-driver at work,
rather than a voice-assist GPS system.

[tjb]

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Post by CharSiewPau
Oh, and about your HUD, I had a similar project, but it was about
projecting images into a clear perspex. It was not very bright, but a
quick application of a tint film (as dark/light as you want, the
brightness depends of it) on the section where the image is to be
projected works wonders. Hope that helps.

so what you're saying is that I should basically paint the windscreen
black? :) The GPS voice commands will need to be REALLY accurate.

But seriously, I might well experiment with a small section of the
screen (though this is NOT a head-up display).

Having said that, it seems I should not be wasting my time, but buying a
new Garmin, and keep my Bluetooth GPS for Europe and USA.

tjb

[CharSiewPau]

Post by tjb
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Post by CharSiewPau
Oh, and about your HUD, I had a similar project, but it was about
projecting images into a clear perspex. It was not very bright, but a
quick application of a tint film (as dark/light as you want, the
brightness depends of it) on the section where the image is to be
projected works wonders. Hope that helps.

so what you're saying is that I should basically paint the windscreen
black? :) The GPS voice commands will need to be REALLY accurate.
But seriously, I might well experiment with a small section of the
screen (though this is NOT a head-up display).
Having said that, it seems I should not be wasting my time, but buying a
new Garmin, and keep my Bluetooth GPS for Europe and USA.
tjb

On the section you want it to reflect only lah! if you paint your
screen black, what's there left to see? Anyway, the tint film should
be reflective, basically the same tint film you use on cars, just that
it's applied on the inside, since you want it to reflect the image
inside, not the sunlight outside.. :-P

I think there are pictures posted in one of the car forums I visited
long time ago. The guy just cut a small piece of tint film and pasted
it where the image was to be projected but it was for a Rev/speed HUD
display.. its a japanese forum though and I've lost the link long time
ago.. O_o

[adchin]

Post by tjb
What I really want to is convert my PDA into a head up display on the
car windscreen. That would be really neat.

I believe Mercedes is R&D on this particular concept right now, and they are
also one of a select group of automakers, who actually know what they are
doing, who are doing R&D to fit NXT technology onto the windscreen. So in
the near future, you just look straight in front, see your necessary driving
data, etc.... also on the screen, and you have clear, music, coming at you,
also from the screen.

[Longhorn]

Post by adchin

Post by tjb
What I really want to is convert my PDA into a head up display on the
car windscreen. That would be really neat.

I believe Mercedes is R&D on this particular concept right now, and they are
also one of a select group of automakers, who actually know what they are
doing, who are doing R&D to fit NXT technology onto the windscreen. So in
the near future, you just look straight in front, see your necessary driving
data, etc.... also on the screen, and you have clear, music, coming at you,
also from the screen.

I thought BMW already got this technology.

[tjb]

Post by adchin

Post by adchin

Post by tjb
What I really want to is convert my PDA into a head up display on the
car windscreen. That would be really neat.

I believe Mercedes is R&D on this particular concept right now, and they

are

Post by adchin
also one of a select group of automakers, who actually know what they are
doing, who are doing R&D to fit NXT technology onto the windscreen. So in
the near future, you just look straight in front, see your necessary

driving

Post by adchin
data, etc.... also on the screen, and you have clear, music, coming at

you,

Post by adchin
also from the screen.

I thought BMW already got this technology.

Yes: nice story about a guy driving his BMW in Germany and following the
instructions: he drove straight down the Ferry ramp into the water. No
instructions to "WAIT FOR THE F***** FERRY". Well I thought it was funny.

[Paul Tan]

Post by tjb
Yes: nice story about a guy driving his BMW in Germany and following the
instructions: he drove straight down the Ferry ramp into the water. No
instructions to "WAIT FOR THE F***** FERRY". Well I thought it was funny.

how did he ever afford a bmw with that kind of intelligence?

[tjb]

Post by Paul Tan

Post by tjb
Yes: nice story about a guy driving his BMW in Germany and following the
instructions: he drove straight down the Ferry ramp into the water. No
instructions to "WAIT FOR THE F***** FERRY". Well I thought it was funny.

how did he ever afford a bmw with that kind of intelligence?

Well that's how much intelligence you get when you buy a BMW.

Oh, I see, you mean *his* intelligence. I think it was dark. Anyway BMWs
are hardly bank-breakers in Europe.

tjb

[Longhorn]

yeah , bmw merc are mid range sedan over there

Post by tjb

Post by Paul Tan

Post by tjb
Yes: nice story about a guy driving his BMW in Germany and following the
instructions: he drove straight down the Ferry ramp into the water. No
instructions to "WAIT FOR THE F***** FERRY". Well I thought it was funny.

how did he ever afford a bmw with that kind of intelligence?

Well that's how much intelligence you get when you buy a BMW.
Oh, I see, you mean *his* intelligence. I think it was dark. Anyway BMWs
are hardly bank-breakers in Europe.
tjb

[CharSiewPau]

Post by tjb

Post by Paul Tan

Post by tjb
Yes: nice story about a guy driving his BMW in Germany and following the
instructions: he drove straight down the Ferry ramp into the water. No
instructions to "WAIT FOR THE F***** FERRY". Well I thought it was funny.

how did he ever afford a bmw with that kind of intelligence?

Well that's how much intelligence you get when you buy a BMW.
Oh, I see, you mean *his* intelligence. I think it was dark. Anyway BMWs
are hardly bank-breakers in Europe.
tjb

True.. I was shocked to hear them cost less than a GEN2 over in the
US. I meant that in the sense of RM1 = USD1 (comparing living
standards)

Gen2 here 50K ++

BMW 3 series? or was is 5 series? (forgot) 25K++

Regular guy over there earns about 1K plus. Regular guy here earns 2K.
Regular guy here drives an Iswara. Poor regular guy here.

Although other cost are still managable, our car prices are getting
out of hand.

Most foreigners are surprised to hear that our car prices can actually
rival our house prices.

[Dave Baker]

Post by adchin
I believe Mercedes is R&D on this particular concept right now, and they are
also one of a select group of automakers, who actually know what they are
doing, who are doing R&D to fit NXT technology onto the windscreen. So in
the near future, you just look straight in front,

Or the very distant future if you can only afford a Proton! :-)

Dave

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Post by Dave Baker
Or the very distant future if you can only afford a Proton! :-)
Dave

Meant to be a joke rite ?? Meant to be a joke rite ??

[tjb]

Post by adchin

Post by Dave Baker
Or the very distant future if you can only afford a Proton! :-)
Dave

Meant to be a joke rite ?? Meant to be a joke rite ??

no jokes on this forum. This is Streamyx.

tjb

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And the prize for "going off-topic in most directions in a single
thread" goes to ....

and it also gets an honourable mention in the "worst case of excessive
cross-posting this year" category

tjb